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you're listening to future theater radio

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with bill and nancy burns

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right here on the dark matter radio

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hi everybody this is monday night at

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eight o'clock on

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july 21st we are your co-hosts bill

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that's me and nancy perfecto nancy yes

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and we are right and we are broadcasting

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future theater live on the dark matter

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radio network and psn radio with our

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producer angela spino the jackal and our

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guest tonight

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is the great the venerable the font of

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all knowledge

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timothy greenbeck all right timothy

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green beckley and so

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let's uh let's backtrack a little bit i

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want to give a shout out to keith

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because he is our benevolent overlord

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who is in fact

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maybe listening maybe not listening but

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i posed a question before

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the show

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and now we must wing it because i

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promised angel this would be a perfect

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show did i not angel so why are you

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bringing it up because

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because if jimmy church is going to have

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another tuesday night

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live call-in show it would be nice to

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let listeners know and so i just thought

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i'd say that so

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tune in it might be there might not

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because i don't have

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i don't have the official word but i was

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just um i was just telling angel before

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we went on that um

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dark matter had 600 it hit 600 listener

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streamy things or whatever it's some big

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number

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so congratulations to us

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is what i'm saying

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yes good

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i hope that our guest tonight will um

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bring us lots of his friends because

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he's very well known as a publisher

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in the field of ufos paranormal time

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travel

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he's had a long long experience

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with a lot of the other

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venerable people in ufos going all the

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way back going all the way back to um

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its early days in in in the 1950s well

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if it's okay with you and if it's okay

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with angel because you both

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you both are good friends with timothy

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green beckley i hope you'll let me ask

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him some

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trickier questions

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well you can you can you can ask tricky

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don't upset him that's what i'm saying

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how ex how angel you know him better i

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think than we do how upsettable is he

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well have you ever seen the incredible

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you don't want to see him when he's

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angry really

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yeah timothy beckley can get uh yeah

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let's just leave it at that wow okay

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just kidding he's a he's a good guy well

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see here's the thing he's got the weird

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hair i i have never asked so does

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interesting thing i have jojo sucralose

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that was deliberate

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and i've told good marketing idea well

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yeah take it and run with it and and i

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who the man yeah the man

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the man's hand where he was getting more

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and more orange every show

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yeah because orange is the new alien

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so tell us

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so so bill's got bill's kind of got not

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news but a nice

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yeah we had a we had a wonderful move on

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conference in uh cherry hill new jersey

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this past weekend actually just came

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back yesterday right and we had some i

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just exciting news uh news from james

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who has teamed up with i think is tracy

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for a new motion picture on ufos on it's

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it's it's a it's the best cases well

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isn't tracy tormey who is a man by the

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way um isn't tracy tormey the child of

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mel toronto

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yep exactly is he right yeah and does he

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sing ever i don't know but no pun

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intended that was good news for james

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nobody probably got that yeah one guy on

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a bus in brooklyn why good news is the

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song well good news is the song that mel

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tormey sang in the movie good news

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nice nice

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high quality i've wanted to interview uh

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tracy tormey for like a decade even

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before i did radio i wanted to like get

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him on the room and interview him he's

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the creator of one of my favorite shows

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ever sliders

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oh okay sliders yeah okay got it which

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multi-dimensional travel right right

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between parallel universes we'll be back

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in a minute

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with our guest tim beckley hang with us

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folks be right back we are back on

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future theater live with your co-host

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billy nancy burns on the dark matter

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radio network and psn radio with our

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the great

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timothy greenbeck thank you for joining

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us tim you can never flatter me enough

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thank you which i i haven't talked to

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the two of you in quite a while you were

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on ufo hunters yeah you were on that

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show i did you know i i people ask me

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about that all the time in fact i was

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sitting in the movie theater over in um

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uh let me see it was a

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gram uh chelsea uh chelsea movie theater

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they're very nice one on 23rd street and

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i know this is uh

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they have some very nice couches in the

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lobby you know and so the movie's over

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and i'm sitting there and

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just kind of relaxing and reading the

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newspaper and i see this couple

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you know across me they're looking at me

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and kind of defauling

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and and finally the gentleman says to me

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young couple weren't you just on ufo

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hunters

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and i said yeah you know yes i just

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happened to be and so then they asked me

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about was it a true story no i made it

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all up you know i'm just kidding

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but every once in a while it does happen

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i mean you know superstardom it takes

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many years to build up but uh every once

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in a while we get we get recognized and

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it's even happened at bars at night and

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it's a great pickup line uh you know i

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remember i was uh i went to um oh

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seaside heights or some player down the

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jersey shore you know and uh

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there were a couple of guys and girls

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there from the college and i was telling

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him about my adventures not only in ufos

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but doing low-budget horror movies and

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so a few months later one of the guys

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comes over and tapped me on the shoulder

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he said you just googled you i guess

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you're not making it up because you know

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people make up all kinds of stuff i you

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know and i don't have to i don't carry

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my i don't carry my bio on you know

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around on my arm or anything like that

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well but you're mr ufo are you not that

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i am mr ufo

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and um i i'm also mr creepo you know i

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do low-budget horror movies and i do i

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do a lot of things you know i i promote

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or i did in the old days promote um rock

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and roll shows local artists here in new

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a fellow that i i knew somewhat uh

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johnny winter the great guitar he just

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died yeah he just got away i'm actually

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on his brother's album frankenstein

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which is a you know a platinum or record

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no i don't play an instrument except for

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oh the triangle every once in a while

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i've been on some albums doing that but

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uh there was a a song on that album

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called we all had a really good time

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and and the record company i believe it

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was columbia brought us all into the

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recording studio including bet midler

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chambers brothers and a bunch of other

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people and they poured us a few drinks

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and turned the microphone on and we all

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had a good time wow that's that's the

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sounds to that particular cut on the

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frankenstein album so i could actually

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say that i'm on a platinum album well we

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certainly are we have to you know you

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can get that on youtube i bet you and i

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bet we can all hear it and i could link

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it if i could find it yeah

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i'm actually clinking an ashtray with my

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keys if i remember correctly because you

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were providing the cowbell

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well that was another that was another

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number yes gotta have more cowbell baby

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indeed indeed yeah there's not too much

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of a call for that but you know but uh

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the ufo things love the guy

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and i do you know i do all the uh other

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things that to supplement my uh my uh my

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time and perhaps my income although you

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well timothy i wish we were working

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together again because when we had

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filament books it gave me great pleasure

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to send you wonderful checks and well

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whatever

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what happened to all the readers

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oh you know what happened

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no google google hired away

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yes our cto our whole i.t department

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they just hired them away and told us to

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go take a hike that was google uh but

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the actual reader the device there must

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have been a you know a hundred thousand

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of them somewhere there were thirty two

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thousand thirty two thousand sitting in

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storage in orange county california i

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don't know where they are now

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and story its stories will eat you up

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alive if you're paying a monthly bill i

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i know i tried at least today the only

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thing you can say about the advent of uh

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ebooks is that you don't have a storage

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because not only will stories cost you

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money but now we had a very big storage

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container with i don't know maybe 20 000

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books in it the weather will get to you

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the weather will get to you unless

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you're paying for you know humidifiers

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and stuff like that uh anything that you

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can imagine will that the the roof leaks

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and everything you can imagine will get

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to your um you know your merchandise or

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potential merchandise and over the years

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i've lost a you know a fairly good

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collection of

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material you know that could ever be

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sorry how sorry do you feel

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for the um you still offer your brochure

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for free i believe it's actually a

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newsletter oh my goodness you know we

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have uh i think i looked the other day

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and um not on uh our all our books are

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on um uh amazon or almost all of them uh

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if you type in timothy green and beckley

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under the you know books uh i've made

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sure that my name is attached to all of

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them even it's just the editor see so

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that way anybody can find them but i

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went to a new leaf which is the primary

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distributor to metaphysical stores what

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few there are left and they had 219

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books posted so there are a few that are

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still not

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digitized

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right

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that is the one thing i i can say most

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of the stores have closed but the

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metaphysical stores continue on not so

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much in selling books but sidelines you

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know every person that gets into this or

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maybe isn't even into this they want

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crystals they want incense they want

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candles so that keeps them at least you

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know uh

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open

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where most other bookstores and and all

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have just um

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true been been buried i mean to be

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honest with you right here we are in the

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middle here we are in the middle of

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manhattan

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and there's hardly a there's no

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metaphysical bookstore that i can think

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of i think there's one on 14th street

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what about the magical child yeah

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magical child how long have you been out

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of it magical childhood out of business

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business

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that's what my mom called me when i was

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a kid yeah yeah

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yeah herman herman slider

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he's deceased many years and um and the

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pla the place is uh closed i i think he

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had a one of his

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boyfriends uh

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they tried to continue on the store but

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is that well did you know tim did you

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know peter lavender when he was involved

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with that whole i know i know who i know

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who he is i've heard him on the uh the

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radio you know i i don't remember uh of

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course

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magical child was open i had probably

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the first metaphysical center in in new

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york it was the new york school of

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occult arts and sciences i remember that

333
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too that i didn't know that was you but

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yes yes i remember it was we had we had

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this uh a 2200 square foot uh loft

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space on 14th street between 7th and 8th

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avenue right we had everybody under the

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uh the the sun came and lectured uh uh

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for us and if we had a you know

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anticipated a bigger crowd we would move

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into one of the i think it was the

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alfred dixon

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speech center and uh

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i kind of took over you know uh jim

345
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mosley used to have weekly uh uh

346
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meetings as part of his social news

347
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saucers and unexplained celestial events

348
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research society

349
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well are you just with the yeah

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before you before you go on because i i

351
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have i i have to ask this

352
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haven't you felt therefore that the

353
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whole ufo thing has totally collapsed

354
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compared to what you're describing

355
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well it's it's it's gone on to different

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uh

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on television and on table and and all

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than um

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than ever before i mean last night on

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the sci-fi channel you had that um

361
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you know this documentary on the uh on

362
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the um on the moon

363
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most of which we would have known about

364
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uh well you know who that's keviad

365
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giving out did that i believe and

366
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edgar's in it eckerson

367
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right yeah and uh yeah and also too you

368
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know i talked to uh jose escamilla

369
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yesterday as part of the show that i

370
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co-host and he had done a similar

371
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movie a documentary i think about seven

372
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or eight years ago and he's working on

373
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the ultimate video about his rods he's

374
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got some um

375
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super

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well

377
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the resolution is even better than uh

378
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uh imax and he's just waiting to put

379
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this together and pay you know he has to

380
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pay for i i've seen one of his later

381
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films and he showed it at a convention

382
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it was very moving very uh he

383
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actually does a very good uh job at what

384
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he does which is a very limited uh

385
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budget now the uh the unfortunate well

386
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you know everything has a double-edged

387
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sword you know with the advent of

388
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youtube now even the horror movies that

389
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i do and i've done documentaries too

390
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i've got secrets of the vatican out and

391
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:08,480
oh a few other ufo oriented things but

392
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most of my dvds are horror related as mr

393
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:14,639
creepo the sales have gone way down

394
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because most everything is for free on

395
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youtube and

396
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i typed in just the other day

397
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something like horror movies on on

398
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youtube and there's something like 134

399
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000 movies you can watch for free mm-hmm

400
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you're absolutely right

401
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huh

402
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you're you're absolutely right so what

403
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:35,759
are you gonna do so what are you gonna

404
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tim what are you gonna do about it i

405
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,519
mean as you are and um you're an

406
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old-timey packager just like we are yes

407
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oh yeah and you're looking you use the

408
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books right the books i still do i have

409
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my crew tim schwartz sean casteel uh

410
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carol rodriguez and mr bill kearn so you

411
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know honestly let me see okay luckily

412
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uh you know i've worked for some of the

413
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sleaziest pulp publishers in new york

414
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including myron including myron fast who

415
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,000
had official ufo and ancient astronauts

416
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he had country-wide publications well he

417
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:13,120
taught us how to put out up uh you know

418
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a magazine in three days with no budget

419
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so uh you know also too i've been

420
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collecting this material for 40 years

421
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and and so

422
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i know where to go for it

423
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and and i know hopefully although my

424
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:29,279
memory is starting to slip a little bit

425
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i know where the material is in my files

426
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and then of course we continue to

427
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,160
interview people you know uh today i had

428
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,800
a very nice interview with uh

429
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paul

430
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,800
davis you know who did this recent

431
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afterlife project

432
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right paul davis yeah yes yes an

433
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,079
excellent movie

434
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and we taped it um in a little

435
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conference room on fifth avenue

436
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and uh

437
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with two cameras actually

438
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and it will be up on my

439
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,120
youtube tv channel which is called mr

440
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,319
ufo's secret files well as if we have

441
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,319
free time

442
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,000
is it a free channel or is it a paid

443
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,000
channel free channel oh it's free it's

444
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free i i believe that i'm supposed to

445
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,319
get paid as some royalties if enough

446
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people go and click through but so far i

447
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:20,079
think i'm owed three cents so we don't

448
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,079
we don't we don't spend it all in one

449
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,319
place there timmy no no we don't do it

450
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:26,000
well i'll send for a back issue when

451
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,520
i've collected enough money all right

452
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:29,600
there you go but you know

453
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,360
i i've traveled around the country and i

454
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,960
usually carry my

455
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,480
video camera

456
00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:38,400
with me and so i have all these

457
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:39,919
sensationalistic

458
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,160
you know video interviews now they're

459
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:43,919
not plush they're not hollywood

460
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,840
sometimes the lighting ain't so great

461
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:47,440
sometimes i have to yell at the person

462
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i'm interviewed to speak up

463
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,000
and you know you might call them talking

464
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heads but it's some great stuff on there

465
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,080
i've got an interview with tom dango now

466
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i don't know if you've ever had uh oh

467
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,000
sure tom dongle we had tom dango on

468
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,160
season one of ufo hunters sure and who

469
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,320
is magazine he's got some of the

470
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,320
greatest collections photographs that

471
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were taken in

472
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near sedona at the bradshaw ranch you

473
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know i'm usually very blase when it

474
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comes to orbs i mean orbs this orbs that

475
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orbs anywhere you want to go with it but

476
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his orbs are more than orbs

477
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and um the super orbs kind of organize

478
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no the bradshaw ranch is a lot like the

479
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skin

480
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which i mean that's your answer

481
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i'm going to say that so you know here i

482
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i travel around and i have these um

483
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interviews and i got a tape

484
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what used to be

485
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vhs i would make 10 vhs at a time when

486
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yeah i would get these like 500 vhs

487
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tapes uh at a time and load them up and

488
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and sell them they were they were really

489
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you know

490
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everybody wanted a vhs and then there

491
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,039
was dvd and then came along all this

492
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,200
free stuff on the internet and so you

493
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:57,039
got to come up with a different approach

494
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to um

495
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everything i mean it just isn't the same

496
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,400
uh you know ball game and for a number

497
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,960
of years after amazon came along and the

498
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:06,960
bookstores closed we were basically on

499
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,600
the balls of our feet i mean we didn't

500
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know anything about the internet we

501
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:14,799
didn't know how to to sell uh a an ebook

502
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:17,039
and actually most of our books are still

503
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,080
physical uh books it's getting it's

504
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,240
getting narrower the the gap between

505
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physical books and ebooks

506
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:26,080
and forget about barnes and noble i mean

507
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,600
they're not even in the picture i mean

508
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,720
uh

509
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,200
amazon sells about 30 times more books

510
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:33,520
than barnes noble does for us

511
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,720
well tim can i have could i ask you uh

512
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,880
we know about the ufo side a little but

513
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,360
can you tell us why you got into horror

514
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,200
in the first place how did you oh well

515
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,880
nancy reagan

516
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huh

517
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,039
nancy reagan

518
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,600
yes reagan when i was a kid i always

519
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,039
thought well i lived in a house that was

520
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,880
haunted i had some out of the body

521
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,720
experiences and uh

522
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,880
my grandfather on my father's side of

523
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,039
the family supposedly i saw a headless

524
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,919
horseman behind the barn in in kentucky

525
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,200
and

526
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,360
i've been watching the series

527
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,679
ironic okay so i was always primed into

528
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,760
this right i had my first of three ufo

529
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,919
sightings when i was 10 years old

530
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,000
uh anyway i always liked you know

531
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,400
horror films uh i think the first film i

532
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:18,159
ever saw in the

533
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:22,080
movie theater was um

534
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:23,039
black

535
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,640
sabbath i think i don't know he wasn't

536
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,640
nine years old or something but uh

537
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,559
around that time or maybe a year or two

538
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,600
before

539
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,919
there was a movie you know nancy reagan

540
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,480
before she became nancy reagan was nancy

541
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,600
davis

542
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:37,919
right who was a basically a b movie

543
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,159
actress right she had a reputation she

544
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,919
had a certain reputation in hollywood

545
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,320
are we on the same path there i don't i

546
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,080
don't i don't know what a rep well her

547
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,799
first well she was no she she started

548
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,480
with ronald reagan and hellcats of the

549
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,520
navy and she was in this wonderful 1950s

550
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,280
movie with james whitmore called the

551
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,159
next voice you hear okay well the movie

552
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,039
that inspired my higher career was a

553
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,159
film called donovan's brain of course

554
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,080
with of course i remember that okay is

555
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,919
that the one with the two the two heads

556
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,760
on the same guy no no no no no i think

557
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,520
there was one i think maybe there were

558
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,600
there was one head it was brian i know

559
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,400
brian brian don levy was in it yeah okay

560
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,120
okay so i wanted to see the movie and my

561
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,480
mother said no it's it was on too late

562
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,880
but in the next room i could hear the

563
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,919
brain

564
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,679
pumping away

565
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,679
ah

566
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,200
it frightened me so that i had to sleep

567
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,520
with a night light on for the uh

568
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:35,280
the next 50 years of my life or

569
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,400
something

570
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,320
in fact i still keep the radio on all

571
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,480
night long uh you know i mean well it's

572
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,480
the internet now or well donovan's brain

573
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:43,840
so it sounds like you had your own

574
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,000
personal um telltale heart moment

575
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,559
yes yes so uh anyway though

576
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,440
this is kind of the kicker um

577
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,159
oh about maybe 10 10 or 12 years ago the

578
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,159
movie was playing on tv and i hadn't

579
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,960
seen it in in years okay so i said to

580
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,840
myself

581
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:03,840
let me go back and have a little bit of

582
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,600
nostalgia and watch this fantastic

583
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,799
horror film

584
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,840
with

585
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,480
nancy davis in it i turned it off in 15

586
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,799
minutes it was terrible and boring

587
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:17,200
stupid it's stupid but your imagination

588
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,120
it's kind of like 1950s it's 1957

589
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:23,360
i saw it in the theater you know

590
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,799
to this day i would rather listen to

591
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:28,240
let's just call it the radio i don't

592
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,120
know

593
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:31,039
what the actual definition is but i

594
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,880
would rather listen to a talk show or

595
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,640
something else on the radio

596
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,240
than even watch most of the stuff on

597
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,159
television to be honest with you my most

598
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:41,440
of my television

599
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,240
uh

600
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,360
watching would be the history channel

601
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,200
and uh because you're a star owner

602
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,960
you're watching yourself

603
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,200
and and the travel channel i got a

604
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,600
couple episodes coming up on a show

605
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,960
called

606
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,600
mysteries of national parks

607
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,880
which i shot in toronto a couple of uh

608
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,320
years ago

609
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,480
and i think it's been showing up there

610
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,559
but it never made it quite down here but

611
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,880
i'm told that it's scheduled for the the

612
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,760
fall

613
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:12,799
i was also on the third

614
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:16,559
season of bill shatner's weird or what

615
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,149
if you know this little

616
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,400
creature that supposedly was caught in a

617
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,520
trap by a farmer in mexico

618
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,559
and the skin was taken off it's really a

619
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,320
terrible thing this is like like a year

620
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,880
ago or so right yeah yeah well

621
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,520
jaime son was behind that i remember i

622
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,520
remember he's never he's never seen an

623
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,559
alien picture he didn't like right

624
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,640
okay so anyway they wanted me they

625
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,279
wanted me to come up and do the show

626
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,520
with bill and say that this was an

627
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,279
extraterrestrial

628
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,559
i got to draw the line somewhere

629
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,640
okay so i said so you draw it at bill

630
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,880
shatner that's not good well

631
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,960
well i you know i i just said let's take

632
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:04,880
a different approach on this if this

633
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,480
thing is uh real it obviously did not um

634
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,240
uh you know travel the

635
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,720
across the corridors of space and time

636
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,080
to end up in a farmer's uh you know like

637
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,039
a trap somewhere in mexico just doesn't

638
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,760
make sense however the gin

639
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,640
are very much you know alive and and

640
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,559
always trying to

641
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,960
pester and trick humans

642
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,799
so that's the approach that we actually

643
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,320
took and they agreed it was a fine

644
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,720
approach and so that's how i

645
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,400
approached the the subject of this

646
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,640
little um

647
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:40,080
creature

648
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,200
right right

649
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:42,960
but just to go back to horror for a

650
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,679
second i i it's a great story how you

651
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,400
got started but how can you

652
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,480
laugh at horror that's like it's not

653
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,240
just you tim but it's

654
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,840
you angel

655
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,320
yeah how can it's mostly guys

656
00:25:04,390 --> 00:24:58,400
what do you mean exactly by laugh at her

657
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,070
let's just kind of go back a second

658
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,159
before you came on tim

659
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:10,240
this afternoon i was googling you and i

660
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,600
came across

661
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,159
this movie that you made that conspiracy

662
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,640
people were going crazy about sandy hook

663
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:18,880
lingerie party

664
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,000
it's retitled now jersey shore lingerie

665
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,230
because of uh mainly because of alex

666
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,679
jones

667
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,840
and people who tried to say that somehow

668
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,320
i was involved in some great um uh

669
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,200
conspiracy i've never quite figured this

670
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,279
out but don't you love alex jones and

671
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
the stuff he makes up uh i don't you

672
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,360
know in the beginning i figure well

673
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,200
here's a guy he's a real crusader but

674
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,200
you know yeah it it's like every light

675
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,360
in the sky becomes a ufo you know i mean

676
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,720
there's certain people in the uh the

677
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,159
field we don't have to

678
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,279
justify naming them but you know every

679
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,960
every every light every star every

680
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,760
passing plane is a you know from another

681
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,440
uh planet

682
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,240
it's the same type of thing here uh

683
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,240
any anyway that that was one of the

684
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
reasons we had to change the name

685
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,960
because

686
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,120
batman and the batman movie batman is

687
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,600
looking at the um

688
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,000
a map and i think the chief of police or

689
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:17,360
something i never really saw the the

690
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,799
movie and uh on on the map the only

691
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,840
thing that you can see

692
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,159
is the town of sandy hook and the movie

693
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,720
was released before the film came out

694
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,480
and you know i'm terribly into

695
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,799
synchronicities and coincidences but i

696
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,279
couldn't quite figure that one out now

697
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,120
we did have a jump in sales for a few

698
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,120
days on amazon but nothing really

699
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,080
spectacular and again it's gone through

700
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,919
a couple of title changes and it should

701
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,840
have done better than it has just

702
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,159
because like we were saying everything

703
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,080
is available for free on the on the

704
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,679
internet and

705
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,279
it doesn't help selling you know we've

706
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,880
kind of lowered the price on everything

707
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,559
it's just you know it's

708
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,400
for for anybody who tries to make a

709
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,360
living at this it's next to impossible

710
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,120
the only way to do it is to if you're

711
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,799
making a film

712
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,360
and you're producing it or whatever your

713
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,840
involvement is is to get your money from

714
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,760
the investors you know as part of the

715
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,679
overall package let's say you want to

716
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,320
make you know 15 000 or something so

717
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,399
your budget that's added to your budget

718
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,559
and there you've made your money because

719
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,480
unless you got a big star in it you're

720
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,799
not going to make your money

721
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,720
right well so you so you guys don't

722
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,919
think that alex jones is on the level

723
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,720
you know

724
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,640
i've only listened to him a few times i

725
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,399
you know hey everybody does what they

726
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,399
have to do i don't see any reason for

727
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,799
stirring up trouble

728
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,600
i mean well unless unless unless yeah

729
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,039
unless we're at the we're looking at the

730
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:44,399
end of the world as we know it and who

731
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
knows

732
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:47,600
um bill cooper did a nice job of uh

733
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,840
debunking alex jones about 15 years ago

734
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,080
the end of the world i'm sure bill

735
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,640
you're about my age or so right now how

736
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,480
many times have we heard about the end

737
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,240
of the world

738
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,399
so many damn times if you look a little

739
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,880
bit back in history every religious

740
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,559
group that you can think of was

741
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,039
predicting the return of uh the christ

742
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,480
and um

743
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,960
and uh or waiting for the messiah to

744
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,840
show up

745
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,240
but we have atom bombs in our hands and

746
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,840
so we could we could make it into the

747
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,520
world

748
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,000
and we shoot planes out of the sky right

749
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,320
that uh have no reason to be shot at i

750
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,480
mean that that that if anything i mean

751
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,120
is is a a crime of a a

752
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,080
of a gross nature right

753
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,640
and meteors keep falling luckily nothing

754
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,279
has hit new york or philadelphia yet yes

755
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,120
yeah you know how many you know you know

756
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,720
how many atom bombs you'd have to drop

757
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,840
through we managed to get 25

758
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,919
uh maybe we'll blow ourselves up or

759
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,320
maybe the aliens will stop us from doing

760
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,039
that i wouldn't bet on it but um you

761
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,320
know you know how many atom bombs you

762
00:29:03,830 --> 00:28:54,000
have to drop on the planet to destroy

763
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:05,830
human beings but as far as the planet's

764
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,600
concerned we would go into what um

765
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,350
but you have to detonate a really large

766
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:17,760
amount of uh nuclear but angel the the

767
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,320
panic that was in iceland

768
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,640
no but look at the icelandic volcano

769
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,919
right that was spewing and a lot of

770
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,159
northern europe

771
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,480
had a nuclear winter they had to cancel

772
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,559
flights the temperature dropped people

773
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,960
were walking around in cloud

774
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,360
from the debris of that volcano in

775
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,440
iceland now if you multiply that you're

776
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,520
not going to drop one atom bomb what

777
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,320
you're going to do is no i mean if if

778
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,440
there is what timothy's talking about is

779
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,120
a multilateral

780
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,200
nuclear exchange with hydrogen bomb

781
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,240
weapons and and and in different parts

782
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,000
of the globe and even if it's the united

783
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,799
states and europe and asia yeah that's

784
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,840
enough

785
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,159
yeah once one of the once somebody

786
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,559
starts tossing the first bomb you got to

787
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,880
know there's going to be other you know

788
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,799
but guys it would be the panic every

789
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,520
movie that's on tv that's after you know

790
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,120
the electricity goes out all over the

791
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,600
place or there's a run on

792
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,240
you know the transamerican who knows or

793
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,159
volcano and yellowstone

794
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,919
um there there are people making a

795
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,559
living on selling you a bomb shelter and

796
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,919
selling you

797
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,799
supplies and so i mean haven't you guys

798
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,120
seen the move the the tv show

799
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,720
doomsday preppers

800
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,880
yeah yeah sure and they're hilarious i

801
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,480
mean they're wonderful because

802
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,279
uh one is all scared about germs and

803
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,159
another

804
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,960
and so forth and some of them have like

805
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,120
they close the door behind them and fire

806
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,320
comes up and

807
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,640
and and nails come down and and and i

808
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,640
always think about like tim you would

809
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,399
appreciate this you and bill are the

810
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,320
kind of guys that you grew up in the

811
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,320
city and if the world's coming to an end

812
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:57,360
you start

813
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,760
neighbors and you pull together that's

814
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,080
what city people do yeah but in new york

815
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,080
tim you remember this um every five

816
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,840
minutes there was another air raid drill

817
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,760
you're running to the stupid shelters

818
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,600
you're falling on the floor ducking and

819
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,120
covering under your desks if that's

820
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,399
going to keep you alive that's what

821
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,760
that's what we did i think we went into

822
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,039
yeah that's what we did

823
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,720
yeah yeah

824
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,399
right and it gave us permanent permanent

825
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,279
damage is is a threat worse now

826
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,039
than it was then i would say yes

827
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,080
possibly uh you know i it's uh

828
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,679
i would say it's a different no it's a

829
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,360
different kind of threat entirely i mean

830
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,600
what you're looking at back in the 50s

831
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,640
was you know the cold war turns hot both

832
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,440
sides bomb each other back to oblivion

833
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,679
now you're talking about non-state

834
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,240
actors who are doing these very

835
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,320
precision terrorist thing so yeah it's

836
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,760
dangerous

837
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,679
but um

838
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,039
it's different

839
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,120
yeah but i think our job here as radio

840
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,200
people we're all professionals here and

841
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,600
we have a widening audience and i think

842
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:01,200
our job is to be the opposite of alex

843
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,240
jones

844
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,600
and limbaugh and to give people some way

845
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,080
of realizing that if the people

846
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,600
kind of get together the people have

847
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,120
power and i was thinking just this real

848
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,120
quickly the thing that keeps everything

849
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,799
together is

850
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,600
this urge to stay alive this love of

851
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,240
nature this love of life and so i would

852
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,760
tell people if you don't have a

853
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,600
boyfriend or a girlfriend you can

854
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,080
express that love by a hobby that you

855
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,559
fall deeply in love with that can't hurt

856
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,679
anybody

857
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,000
and then you become part of the solution

858
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,760
because you're in love with something if

859
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,760
not a person so that's my

860
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,440
my anti the fear-mongering radio shows

861
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:42,640
we have a lot of people in this uh field

862
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,080
who actually do animal rescue in fact i

863
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,600
was surprised at the number of people

864
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,760
that i see that are friends on facebook

865
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,679
that are allow now i don't have that

866
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,000
many new age friends on facebook i have

867
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,799
a few but most of them are ufos our rock

868
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,630
movie makers a couple of actresses and

869
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,559
stuff tim we have a great rock musician

870
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:06,880
listening right now to the show

871
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,519
yes his name is space boy and he makes

872
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,279
all the music for a lot of the uh dark

873
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,279
matter shows and he's

874
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,120
he's from las vegas and stuff he's

875
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,519
really good like he's like jeff ritzman

876
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,600
sort of if you know jeff fritzman's work

877
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,840
he's there i love guitar i love that

878
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,559
kind of guitar ta-da he's never given me

879
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,559
anything to play that guy but check him

880
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,320
out because he's excellent

881
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,840
you know going back to what you're

882
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,320
talking about tim the the uh we just had

883
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,559
the death of johnny winters who

884
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,399
yes like i was stunned because i don't

885
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,399
think he was that old right he was he

886
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,070
yes he was and he uh apparently was not

887
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:46,799
in the greatest of uh health uh he was

888
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,399
on the tour in zurich and he just had an

889
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,039
album actually uh i think it was the

890
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,960
like the best of muddy water you know he

891
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,360
was blues see now right

892
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,200
when i was involved in the music scene

893
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,799
edgar had just come out with this

894
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,440
frankenstein album that we mentioned

895
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,399
right

896
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,120
and they had him all glammed up he hated

897
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,320
that

898
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,480
i mean because these guys were

899
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:12,240
well

900
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,919
jazz musician um blues actually i i mean

901
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,520
i mean bowie would have given his left

902
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,720
arm to look like johnny winters well but

903
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,800
we did kind of i met bowie when he was

904
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,639
on his first tour here

905
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,760
uh as uh ziggy stardust

906
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,440
and he had his own he had his own

907
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,919
persona you know and even the band the

908
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,560
kiss they rehearsed at the same we all

909
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,159
rehearsed at the same studio talent

910
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,159
recon up around time

911
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,320
square and played some of the same

912
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:42,800
venues you know bars and uh everybody

913
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,349
played the hotel diplomat that was up on

914
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,359
times square sometimes we had ufo

915
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:52,960
lectures there in smaller rooms that if

916
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,240
we were doing a rock show we did

917
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:57,920
the the main ballroom which held about

918
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,359
maybe 600 people i think uh in fact one

919
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480
uh halloween we had elephant's memory

920
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,160
now elephant's memory was the backup

921
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,720
band for john lennon so john lennon

922
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,800
showed up in andy warhol and uh and a

923
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,119
bunch of celebrities and you know and we

924
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:15,200
had a great time and actually made a few

925
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,320
dollars that might have been one of the

926
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,200
few rock shows we actually made a few uh

927
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,599
pennies on and then i i managed the

928
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,640
fellow

929
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,119
by the name of satan the fire eater who

930
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,760
sang and danced and breathed the fire

931
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,000
you know he did a fire act and he was

932
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,079
very much into a lot of the musicians of

933
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,359
course um

934
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,040
you know we're into this into the

935
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,200
subject david bowie i understand put out

936
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,240
a ufo newsletter uh when he was in

937
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,400
england as a kid and

938
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,560
had a a sighting out there in salisbury

939
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,880
plain um robert fripp who was with king

940
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,000
crimson uh i spent some time uh with him

941
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,400
and uh he had a signing out near uh

942
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,640
stowed hands you know so

943
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,119
do you you know uh some folks in the ufo

944
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,839
field such as brett luter for example

945
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,560
are doing a lot of research on the kind

946
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,280
of tonalities in certain kinds of music

947
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,720
as perhaps

948
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,880
lifting the whole spirit up do you feel

949
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,280
that there are so many rock musicians

950
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,200
who themselves have seen things do you

951
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,400
think it's because they live in a

952
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,720
vibration that perhaps is more well you

953
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,079
know thrilling

954
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,839
i don't know

955
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:20,800
if you've had

956
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,240
show oh yeah mike luckman he's a friend

957
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,599
of mine yeah yeah well he you know i

958
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
known him for years in fact uh a lot of

959
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,000
his celebrities and rock musicians are

960
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:31,839
the stories that i told him and he's

961
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,560
working on a new book uh now but he says

962
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,000
that he's spoken to some of these

963
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,680
musicians some of them rather famous and

964
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,280
some who don't want their name used and

965
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,200
they've admitted that a lot of the music

966
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,320
that they um they wrote was actually a

967
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,359
channel uh to them right now i i was

968
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,880
friends uh in fact i still am with

969
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,880
lester uh chambers the chambers brothers

970
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,359
your time has come today right uh yeah

971
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,599
he's on you know on facebook and once in

972
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,520
a while we you know say hello or

973
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,359
something like that well he had a

974
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,359
brother who was the drummer uh joe uh

975
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,720
joe chambers i don't know how many

976
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,599
actual chambers brothers uh there were

977
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,680
but at least two or three and uh they

978
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,520
were in different parts of the the house

979
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,200
and they had a place in connecticut if i

980
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,960
remember correctly and they were writing

981
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,720
the same song when they got together it

982
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,599
was the same tool that they had you know

983
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,200
i don't know if i don't know if it was a

984
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,280
19-minute version of time or not because

985
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,720
there were so many different versions

986
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,119
and it seemed to go on forever

987
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,480
yeah well i i noticed that um i download

988
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,000
i think it's illegal i downloaded it

989
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:32,240
from youtube once and i was i i kind of

990
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,440
started listening to it and then i kind

991
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,440
of was busy doing other stuff and half

992
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,800
hour later it was still on and i was

993
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,240
thinking my goodness yeah well some of

994
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,160
these you know i i used to go to all the

995
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
shows now i knew the promoters and i

996
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,960
used to hang out in the uh

997
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,320
what they call the green room i don't

998
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,520
know why they call it the green room

999
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,280
because it's never been green

1000
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,920
that i uh that i know of in those days

1001
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,480
even if you paid it was three artists

1002
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,640
a fairly well-known uh you know axe for

1003
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,040
like eight dollars now you could see

1004
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,240
santana and blue oyster cult and some

1005
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,160
other uh you know up and coming ban for

1006
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,560
eight bucks right i mean today now you

1007
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,240
want to go see an act and it's uh you

1008
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,640
know 250 dollars and that's without

1009
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,240
scalping

1010
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,560
right yeah at least at least in the old

1011
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,560
days the scalpers were guys that were

1012
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,000
making you know 50 bucks that were

1013
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,680
standing in front of the uh

1014
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,240
the venue and now it's big corporations

1015
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,119
who are in my opinion gouging people by

1016
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,800
charging all this exorbitant you know

1017
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,880
whatever the traffic will bear well i

1018
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,720
like madonna but i'm not going to pay

1019
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,000
you know twelve hundred dollars this

1020
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,359
year perform i don't care whether it's

1021
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,000
the the front row or the fourteenth row

1022
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,079
you know because i was i i was backstage

1023
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,680
or up against the wall right there in

1024
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,599
the uh the orchestra pitted it to phil

1025
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,680
moore east or the academy of music but

1026
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,440
that's not ufos that's another well i

1027
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,680
was carried out of uh i was carried out

1028
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,200
of cbgb's

1029
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,400
um which is a something of an honor

1030
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:53,839
my daughter was

1031
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:57,839
with her with her then girlfriend at the

1032
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,280
time and they had they had a black

1033
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,640
painted floor of course and they had

1034
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:04,960
little tiny steps that you didn't know

1035
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,320
were there yeah oh yeah yeah and i i

1036
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,400
twisted both ankles on those steps and

1037
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,119
so my daughter was mortified

1038
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,720
you know this is how this is how jim

1039
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,520
keith if you remember met his uh uh and

1040
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,280
he was at burning man you know the

1041
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,200
festival of the right yeah yeah

1042
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,599
desert and apparently he had been you

1043
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,680
know had a couple of beers which jim

1044
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,760
liked to do and he was up on the stage

1045
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,520
now the foot as i understand that the

1046
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,920
stage was only a foot or so

1047
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,800
you know off the uh the florida desert

1048
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,040
and he jumped down and twisted his ankle

1049
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,359
and managed to get back to reno

1050
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,079
and it got worse and swollen and he went

1051
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,599
to the hospital and i think he had a

1052
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,280
blood clot or an animal or something

1053
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,760
along that line that it was from just

1054
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,040
jumping down you know from a stage uh

1055
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,359
yeah well luckily my blood was probably

1056
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,119
thinned out from the alcohol so it was

1057
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,560
probably okay

1058
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,480
i one time was with jim mosley and we

1059
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,720
are having a convention in cleveland

1060
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,079
that was the beginning of the congress

1061
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,480
of scientific ufologists and it was rick

1062
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,240
hillberg and a bunch of uh

1063
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,880
us other guys we all had teenage ufo

1064
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,480
groups so mostly was the old you know

1065
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,079
the the leader and the oldest of the

1066
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,920
group he wasn't a teenager by any means

1067
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,760
anyway we decided we wanted to go to the

1068
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,280
swimming pool and it you know how

1069
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,960
swimming pools and hotels are they close

1070
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,720
them at nine o'clock and lock them up

1071
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,839
anyway

1072
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,920
uh we decided we were going to climb

1073
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,319
over the picket the fence or the wooden

1074
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,640
bamboo fence that's what it was anyway

1075
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:31,200
in about 10 seconds the bamboo fence was

1076
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,560
on the um

1077
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,880
on the ground and we all just strolled

1078
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,920
into the pool i don't know if those days

1079
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,720
the hotels weren't you know uh

1080
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,400
trying to like to charge you to you know

1081
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,720
like to pay for stuff today you know i

1082
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,280
accidentally uh dented a um

1083
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,560
a um

1084
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,880
a lamp you know by the bed uh it was a

1085
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,480
cheap lamp they tried to make twenty

1086
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,319
five dollars for it at all yeah well tim

1087
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,400
timmy back out you know didn't you

1088
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,240
almost have a riot on your hands at one

1089
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,359
ufo kind of thing during the era when

1090
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,440
there was a sighting in north jersey i

1091
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,040
think and you were gonna have how do you

1092
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,520
remember that oh we remember that well

1093
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,800
because

1094
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,280
oh yes all right well i can tell you the

1095
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,480
story yeah there was okay there were

1096
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,440
this was a around the time that uh bud

1097
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,240
hopkins had just written an article for

1098
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,800
the village voice about the obarsky a

1099
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,240
case that was the gentleman who owned

1100
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,480
the liquor store in new york and he's

1101
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,400
right back to his home in

1102
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,480
hoboken new jersey city or wherever he

1103
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,200
lived and as he passed the uh this

1104
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,880
liquor store closed around midnight as

1105
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,280
he passed the park he saw a couple

1106
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,839
little creatures digging

1107
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,079
uh up the uh the soil and putting it in

1108
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,920
buckets and so forth and so on you know

1109
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,240
the usual little little man story that

1110
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
you don't hear uh too much about it uh

1111
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,640
on the way home from the bar right oh no

1112
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,000
no what it was a liquor store he didn't

1113
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,079
drink he just owned the place

1114
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,920
yeah it wasn't like he had done one too

1115
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,920
many cocktails that was you know that

1116
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,400
was his business over and um

1117
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,760
i guess that would have been in the

1118
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,920
chelsea as well so uh right

1119
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
okay so he drove and he had the sighting

1120
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,839
and bud wrote it up and it was in the

1121
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,839
village voice later i think we printed a

1122
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,480
cosmopolitan magazine or glamour of of

1123
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
all places and it quite a bit got quite

1124
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,560
a bit of attention

1125
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,319
and um

1126
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,640
we had even gone over and interviewed

1127
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,119
the the doorman at the building the it

1128
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,280
was the stonehenge apartment complex

1129
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,800
which again is one of these silly

1130
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,880
synchronicities or

1131
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,800
where was the apartment tim where was

1132
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,760
the apartment complex in jersey

1133
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,599
it was under the hoboken or bayonne or

1134
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,960
one of those

1135
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,880
bergen county okay okay all right and it

1136
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,400
was directly across the street and

1137
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,160
pretty darn close to where the park

1138
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,400
where obarsky had had the sighting and

1139
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,280
the doormen had even um

1140
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,520
uh i think marked in their ledger or

1141
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,760
whatever they keep at the door diary or

1142
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:54,319
some notebook you know that's a log

1143
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,160
blog there you go okay and and um about

1144
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
some other sightings that they had had

1145
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,599
and i think something that was thrown

1146
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,520
against the window or something i they

1147
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,920
had some you know rocks or pelts or or

1148
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:07,200
something like that and then maybe a

1149
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,319
crack that wouldn't know they made a

1150
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,359
note of that

1151
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,200
so there and then there were other

1152
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,480
sightings i guess you know people got

1153
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,079
into the habit of having sightings in

1154
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,960
that area not necessarily in that park

1155
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,760
well bud hopkins and jim mosley did not

1156
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,880
get along

1157
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,359
they had a few that went on for years

1158
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,440
now jim mosley was the type of person

1159
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,440
you either liked jim or you hated his

1160
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,760
guts right and jim mostly focused this

1161
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,079
is true this is absolutely true and this

1162
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,800
is the latest and this is the late jim

1163
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:36,640
mosley who's the publisher of saucer

1164
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,800
smear but jim mosley was a his father i

1165
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,520
believe was a colonel or general a

1166
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,079
general general yeah and a neo-nazi

1167
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,720
typer jim hated his father i mean uh

1168
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,520
yeah

1169
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,440
they did not get along and speak at all

1170
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,160
but i knew jim since i i went to the

1171
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,960
first ufo meeting in new york

1172
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,760
uh when i was about 14 years old it was

1173
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,680
ivan sanderson in one room in gray

1174
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,160
barker in the other wow and you know wow

1175
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,480
i said to myself i want to be like these

1176
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,240
men when i grew up and i guess i did

1177
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,680
that i did yes i did i did right okay

1178
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,520
and tell folks real quickly tell folks

1179
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,760
real quickly uh who those two guys are

1180
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,000
real fast ivan t sanderson i have his

1181
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,400
book uh an invisible residence with a

1182
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,839
hologram on the cover it's got a

1183
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,760
hologram yeah yeah yeah of course he

1184
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,680
wrote probably the first uh a book on

1185
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,440
the bottom of snowman a little paperback

1186
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,599
by and he was on donahue when i was a

1187
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,839
young when i was a young married wife i

1188
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,040
was ironing in my in my in my bedroom

1189
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,880
and i was listening to donahue and ivan

1190
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,839
t sanderson it was like oh take me away

1191
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
he was the uh you know the uh the two

1192
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,160
investigators now here's another sick of

1193
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,319
this today the two investigators at the

1194
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,480
flatwoods uh the landing site in west

1195
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,400
virginia where i wouldn't see sanderson

1196
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,720
who went down there and ray barker who

1197
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,280
lived in in clarksburg uh west virginia

1198
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,280
i don't think their past crossed at that

1199
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,680
time but i'm sure they did later on uh

1200
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,520
eventually the night that i was there in

1201
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,440
new york for their their lectures you

1202
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,240
know so you know that that was

1203
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,560
i i always was in you know into the fl

1204
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,319
flying social thing at least the the men

1205
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,839
in black have done some books on that

1206
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,000
anyway so i i was geared into holding

1207
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,839
meetings and and conferences and things

1208
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,599
because i kind of helped jim mosley out

1209
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,760
i was his assistant and he bought he

1210
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,560
took over my newsletter when it got too

1211
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,560
big uh i started out it was the

1212
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,400
interplanetary news service report i

1213
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,319
bought a miniograph machine when i was

1214
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,680
15 and i printed 50 copies the first

1215
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,800
issue

1216
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,880
uh and it was 10 pages by time i

1217
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,200
finished i don't know like uh 17 issues

1218
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,319
later it was 40 pages and i had a

1219
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,119
membership that was as large as april

1220
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,480
they had a really 800

1221
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,240
yes indeed yes

1222
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,400
and so tim did you did you uh did you

1223
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:52,560
fold them and collate them and send them

1224
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,040
out oh yes i hate you that was the worst

1225
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
it in my and my mother

1226
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,440
banned me in the house i had my

1227
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,000
mimeograph machine on the back porch in

1228
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,960
hot weather a cold weather because my

1229
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,040
fingerprints it was like a crime scene

1230
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,520
or a refrigerator and were on the wall

1231
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,200
and yes you had to put them in stacks

1232
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,200
and collate them and it was a

1233
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,359
and i love i just love the smell if

1234
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,960
young people will not know that smell

1235
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,040
that's not right you're talking about no

1236
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,160
you're talking about the ditto machine

1237
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,640
you're talking about a rexograph machine

1238
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:28,480
not a mimeograph i don't even know that

1239
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,440
one

1240
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,400
really

1241
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,359
a rep a rexograph machine

1242
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,200
that's the ditto machine and that's what

1243
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,800
i yeah and that's when i was in high

1244
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,680
school i was the boss of the rexograph

1245
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,200
machine which meant i could do anything

1246
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,440
with those stencils that i wanted and

1247
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:45,200
that's how i published my first

1248
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,480
newspaper

1249
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,800
the pseudo-eye at forest hills high

1250
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,480
school

1251
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,319
the ditto machine would only print maybe

1252
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,040
about 100 copies right for it you

1253
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:57,119
couldn't read it anymore now the first

1254
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,000
book

1255
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,400
that i ever published was called inside

1256
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,359
the saucers 1962 although i think it was

1257
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,319
1964 before it ever came out but it was

1258
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,319
printed on a ditto machine so i tell

1259
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,480
people i don't even have a copy if

1260
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,400
somebody had a copy if they opened it it

1261
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:14,720
would be 60 blank pages i bet by this

1262
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,560
time why why does it fade well i haven't

1263
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:19,359
paid

1264
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,880
it does fade but yes oh guys then guys

1265
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,680
listen anybody who's got these things

1266
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,880
young people

1267
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,640
xerox them now

1268
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,200
yeah and it will last a bit longer do

1269
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:34,000
that and or no not xerox it scan it scan

1270
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,520
it in and then you've got it yeah you

1271
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,280
just scan it

1272
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,200
there were a couple of saucer magazines

1273
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,839
that were dittoed uh one was actually

1274
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,359
the first couple of issues of gray

1275
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,040
markers saucerian it was called yes the

1276
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,880
first issue had

1277
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,960
actually had a copy of that gray i just

1278
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,800
had a few and he sent me one

1279
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,599
and that was on ditto and i don't know i

1280
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:57,680
guess that lasted a few years but most

1281
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,040
of the guys had uh mimeograph machines

1282
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,200
in fact you know jerry clark even though

1283
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,880
he probably would not like to admit this

1284
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:07,440
now used to type the stencils for my

1285
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,349
we all started out kind of together you

1286
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,599
know and then we all we all

1287
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,440
came up with our own theories and ideas

1288
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,440
and then went our own way right right

1289
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,119
well did you ever cross paths with ray

1290
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,400
palmer

1291
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,920
oh i wrote for years i wrote a a column

1292
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,240
for ray palmer's uh flying sources from

1293
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:30,559
other worlds magazine i well uh in fact

1294
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,079
there's a book out called strange uh

1295
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,040
saga in which i paced it up by hand all

1296
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,599
these old columns and articles that i

1297
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,000
did about 12 of them from

1298
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,400
saga magazine sagan right right good

1299
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,200
yeah now nobody really knew ray palmer i

1300
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,000
think only gene steinberg and uh and

1301
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,240
maybe mosley actually had met him and he

1302
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,599
lived out in the boonies i mean he

1303
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,710
amherst wisconsin of course he had

1304
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,079
worked at uh amazing stories for a big

1305
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,319
publishing company there in chicago but

1306
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,040
then when he started uh fate with the

1307
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,440
curtis fuller on an assumed name

1308
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,359
he moved i think they moved to evanston

1309
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,440
and then when he started his own

1310
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,000
publication search and flying saucers he

1311
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,400
bought an old school house in amherst

1312
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,000
wisconsin and started a printing uh

1313
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,520
printing press and started putting out

1314
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,520
stuff himself because i got a question

1315
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,119
for you yes

1316
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,960
is ray palmer his birth name because

1317
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,119
it's ironic that's a dc character name

1318
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:32,960
also well i think they took i think they

1319
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,440
took the name from ray palmer yeah

1320
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,040
really that's the character yeah

1321
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,880
the atomic bombers

1322
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,359
yeah ray palmer is a real person he's

1323
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,240
yeah he was

1324
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,319
he was sort of a crippled man he's

1325
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,000
definitely a real man he was in a yeah

1326
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,160
he was an auto accident when he was very

1327
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:52,960
uh young the car like uh you know like

1328
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,640
ran over him and i crushed his spine and

1329
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,520
but now i know ray palmer's son

1330
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,520
uh well people say well that's ray

1331
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,359
palmer jr no because they have a

1332
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:05,440
different initial for their uh their

1333
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,480
middle uh

1334
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,800
name so that doesn't make him junior and

1335
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,200
he doesn't like that but uh he he still

1336
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,240
lives in around amherst and uh we've

1337
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,000
talked to him on on some of the radio

1338
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,839
shows and he's i can tell you some

1339
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,920
interesting stories about uh you know

1340
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,640
his dad and richard shaver of course and

1341
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:25,599
of course dick schaefer yeah oh yeah so

1342
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,920
that that was kind of the golden age of

1343
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,680
flying saucers before the term was

1344
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,240
changed to ufo right what it would have

1345
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,480
been around of course the advent of the

1346
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,520
contact d movement uh basically in in

1347
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,760
california or in that uh the western

1348
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,119
part of the country

1349
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,520
and then uh you had in chicago you had

1350
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,559
fate magazine and ray palmer and on the

1351
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,240
east coast here

1352
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,559
you had a fellow by the name of elliot

1353
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,119
rockmore i believe his name was

1354
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,800
and he put out

1355
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,760
uh

1356
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,559
a magazine a little it was even worse

1357
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,599
than uh ditto i i've seen a copy of it

1358
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,200
it was something else even more

1359
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,280
primitive than that and it was printed

1360
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,400
on like some strange paper that was semi

1361
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,440
glossy and the ink was black but it

1362
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,359
wasn't ditto it was something else like

1363
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,839
oh i know it was like photographic image

1364
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,359
remember when you're you're a kid you

1365
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,960
had a little plastic camera that you got

1366
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,800
is all right you know right right yeah

1367
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,480
yeah well this is the same type of thing

1368
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,319
i you know and i don't know what that is

1369
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,000
called photographic image i guess you

1370
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,400
know and he put out a newsletter called

1371
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,200
flying saucer review before they they

1372
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,559
put it out in england had no

1373
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,480
relationship to it but actually there

1374
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,240
were a couple of magazines called flying

1375
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,680
source review now

1376
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,359
one of my favorite

1377
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,160
uh websites which most people don't know

1378
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,720
about that has thousands of images of

1379
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,040
ufo covers and books and

1380
00:51:53,549 --> 00:51:51,359
uh old merchandise and old clippings is

1381
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:53,559
called ufos

1382
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,240
popculture.com my site again

1383
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,760
ufopopculture.com cool okay good

1384
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,920
this has if you go there and under

1385
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,920
magazines you type in the interplanetary

1386
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,520
news service report

1387
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,119
uh which was my

1388
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,480
little publication you'll see three or

1389
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,599
four covers if you type in uh you know

1390
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,760
your ufo magazine you know they've got

1391
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,280
them spread out from the covers from

1392
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,040
different years and things like that

1393
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,000
it's just an amazing gold mine of flying

1394
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,000
saucer literature they even have

1395
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,760
magazines dating back to something like

1396
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:25,359
1905.

1397
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,319
there was a

1398
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,720
magazine called electronic age or

1399
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:30,400
something like that yes i have some

1400
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,079
coverage okay it ha it it has the cover

1401
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,400
of what appears to be a flying saucer on

1402
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,119
this 1905. well tim

1403
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,040
while we've got you here and since well

1404
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,640
you know we don't have this chance with

1405
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,800
every guest you are a publisher from the

1406
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:47,200
year one just just like we've been

1407
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,240
um

1408
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
can we brainstorm together now that ufo

1409
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:52,880
magazine is defunct

1410
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,760
um what would you suggest the the world

1411
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,480
the people of print should do

1412
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,400
with the internet what do you have any

1413
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,240
ideas well

1414
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,680
you know

1415
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:05,920
of course the even the one ufo magazine

1416
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,559
that was left open minds they recently

1417
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,119
folded right johnny rayo told me that

1418
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,200
yesterday we had uh i didn't realize

1419
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,040
that one now the worst thing they did

1420
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,960
listen to this you can't find the

1421
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,400
magazine anywhere i actually just

1422
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,640
ordered it uh from their website because

1423
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,559
they put in huge bold letters on the

1424
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,119
front cover final issue

1425
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,640
well that is a a uh you know

1426
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,400
that will tell every a wholesaler in the

1427
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,240
world don't bother to put it out it's

1428
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,760
hard enough to get people to put out a

1429
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,359
darn magazine anyway as you probably

1430
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,480
will know

1431
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,559
and even with ufo magazine like in new

1432
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,079
york there were a few places that

1433
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,920
carried it but instead of spreading it

1434
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,760
out throughout the city you'd find three

1435
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,280
or four places that had 15 copies each

1436
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,119
you know i mean and that's just not the

1437
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,720
way well i mean think about that and i

1438
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,800
explained that with two words hudson

1439
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,079
news

1440
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,400
oh yeah well ubiquity was pretty good

1441
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,760
they were the little guys from i went

1442
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,520
out of business

1443
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,359
no ubiquity

1444
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,839
i think so i don't because they switched

1445
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
all of our accounts switched from them

1446
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,160
to hudson news you know

1447
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,559
i had so many i used to distribute my

1448
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,040
own magazines in newspapers i did uh

1449
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,040
memory lane news which was joe franklin

1450
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,640
he's the king of nostalgia well you must

1451
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,400
know who he is right now

1452
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,000
tim tim have you ever been in joe

1453
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,720
franklin's apartment uh his office oh

1454
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,640
yeah joe was up my place a couple of

1455
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,040
times i used to publish his newspaper

1456
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,839
wow

1457
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:29,839
there are pictures of his legendary

1458
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,480
office it's like all file cabinets and i

1459
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,839
have been well that looks similar to

1460
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,359
mine

1461
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,880
this is a little here's a little bit

1462
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,720
more cluttered perhaps but not and not

1463
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,880
too much yeah he his place is up around

1464
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,880
times square it was in the in this well

1465
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,680
he's dead now yeah he's not dead he's

1466
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,640
not i thought he died no but now in fact

1467
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,079
he's on facebook which is hard to

1468
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,839
believe somebody finally got him on

1469
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,319
facebook but no he's very much alive now

1470
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,559
he's still comas here the same way

1471
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,200
yeah yes yeah as far as i know yes now

1472
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,240
he he's uh up until a few years ago he

1473
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,040
had a a show memory lane something or

1474
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,040
other i remember memory lane

1475
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,119
yeah yeah on the bloomberg network or

1476
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,799
whatever they call that you know that's

1477
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:12,400
what they did with that show okay i

1478
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,440
didn't know what happened to that show

1479
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,960
because i met cause i've spoken to a

1480
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,880
million times on the phone

1481
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,880
tell tim tell tim about that who your

1482
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,119
parents grandparents who your godparents

1483
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,280
are well it's george burns and gracie

1484
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,799
allen and jack benny and mary livingston

1485
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:26,559
but i spoke to

1486
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,839
uh joe franklin a lot and so one time i

1487
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,760
i called him up

1488
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,920
and because i wanted to get nancy on the

1489
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,000
show for her book and he starts

1490
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,559
screaming at me he's screaming now and

1491
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:40,480
into the phone why are you talking to me

1492
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,470
joe franklin i don't

1493
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,240
unless he knew who you were you said he

1494
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,960
answered the phone right himself yeah

1495
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,319
who you were

1496
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,799
he would pretend it wasn't joe franklin

1497
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,119
or he'd tell you to call back tomorrow

1498
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,960
at uh you know like three o'clock or

1499
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,720
something right and you would go through

1500
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,160
the whole thing but you know he put

1501
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,680
everybody in the world on the show i

1502
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,440
mean yeah that's right

1503
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,520
big or small or unknown or

1504
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,680
yeah john lennon was on

1505
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,200
bing crosby

1506
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,640
you know so i give the gentleman a

1507
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,319
credit and and for years i'd see him

1508
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,480
walking around times square and like i

1509
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,079
say you know i was publishing his

1510
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,240
newspaper for a while and i did a

1511
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,319
science fiction newspaper so

1512
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,200
i knew the distribution of business

1513
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,359
uh i distributed my own stuff and out of

1514
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,200
the 600 wholesalers i think i had about

1515
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,319
85 who took my newspaper i had the

1516
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,720
world's official flying saucer newspaper

1517
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,799
called the ufo review

1518
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,359
i typed it on a typewriter i think it's

1519
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,400
a metric and i reduced the print and i

1520
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,480
pasted it up by hand

1521
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,240
right i know the times listen we have to

1522
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,440
take a quick break guys um and we will

1523
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,440
be right back because we're right on the

1524
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,359
the bottom of the half hour and you know

1525
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,960
there's much discussion because we are

1526
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,359
live uh on future theater radio on the

1527
00:57:01,270 --> 00:57:00,000
dark radar dark matter radio almost

1528
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,280
almost did it right

1529
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,000
on the dark matter radio network and psn

1530
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,040
radio radio and yeah we'll be right back

1531
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:09,680
yeah little sound effect thank you

1532
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,430
hi folks we are back on future theater

1533
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,000
with our guest timothy green beckley we

1534
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,319
are your co-hosts bill and nancy burns

1535
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,079
on dark matter radio and you're

1536
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,079
listening to future theater before we

1537
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,240
start before we start a bit of business

1538
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,400
i was talking about this great guitarist

1539
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,559
named space boy who does the music for

1540
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,319
some of the shows here and he's from

1541
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,680
houston texas he is not from las vegas

1542
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,280
we can move on

1543
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,280
okay well if we're bringing up musicians

1544
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,880
the music we just played is by a group

1545
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,799
called the velia brothers the vaya

1546
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,960
brothers and uh they supply music for us

1547
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,720
all the time so we should really give

1548
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,920
them

1549
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,760
we should start doing that because they

1550
00:58:01,109 --> 00:58:00,000
make the network what it is don't yeah

1551
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,119
brothers

1552
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,280
uh raven zion who plays music all the

1553
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:06,079
time mac maloney you know yeah

1554
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,880
yeah

1555
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,799
so we are talking to

1556
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,960
tim beckley about his

1557
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,920
the final early 1980s there's a photo of

1558
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,599
tim you and

1559
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,040
uh

1560
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:20,880
on our website it's on futuretheater.com

1561
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:24,240
and you were interviewing betty hill at

1562
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,280
a jim mosely conference in the world

1563
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,359
trade actually actually i believe we

1564
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:31,839
were having lunch okay world at the

1565
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,119
world trade center uh restaurant

1566
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,680
um which is a spectacular site of course

1567
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,240
so it might have been 1980 something

1568
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,880
uh i believe so i i maybe we could

1569
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,599
google it later you know uh this was not

1570
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,119
uh jim's big conference uh from 1967 and

1571
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,920
commodore well did you believe betty at

1572
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,119
all

1573
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,200
uh the original story you know uh with

1574
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,559
barney the abductions yes yeah you know

1575
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,240
i think there are a lot of imitators and

1576
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,640
copycats uh today uh you know because

1577
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,960
once something gets out on the etheric

1578
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,640
then you know people seem to have

1579
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,400
similar experiences well don't you think

1580
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,079
though that head that she carried around

1581
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,400
i mean i just a quick anecdote is what

1582
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,480
wait a minute that was my head

1583
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,079
that was your head well maybe maybe it

1584
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,599
wasn't i you know i have to go back and

1585
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,359
look at the photograph because i i have

1586
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,520
alien heads too so it was a great

1587
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,400
headline

1588
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,280
it's a fabulous yes i i think that might

1589
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,880
have been mine but maybe maybe not

1590
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,960
because she did have her own so well she

1591
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,440
had it from boston she had it in boston

1592
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:33,839
okay maybe maybe that's done let me tell

1593
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,040
kind of a semi-cute story i once in the

1594
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,000
1980s did a cookbook because we were

1595
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,720
book packages and the cookbook was

1596
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,359
called or is called cheaper and better

1597
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,280
and it was getting a quite a quite a

1598
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,599
play on the tv stations i was going from

1599
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,240
show to show you know regis and kathie

1600
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,160
lee and stuff like that right

1601
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,440
and so i i ended up at a show in philly

1602
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,079
in a really bad situation in which it's

1603
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,240
my hometown my mother was angry she

1604
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,480
didn't want to see us it was raining we

1605
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,440
got hit by a truck going in when we got

1606
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,799
to the theater um the guy who was the

1607
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,799
host was the guy that they did those

1608
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,480
durable jokes about

1609
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,240
i can't remember them what he's now

1610
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,520
still in he's still in business

1611
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,079
no jerry it's jerry jerry

1612
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,480
jerry pencoli jerry pinagolli yeah and

1613
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,640
so they have that stupid

1614
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,359
the stupid

1615
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,200
so i have to keep a straight face

1616
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,040
because this joke is really all over the

1617
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,640
place when when i'm due to be

1618
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,480
interviewed by him so

1619
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,960
i go into the green room and i i'm doing

1620
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,400
cheaper and better which is how to make

1621
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,760
your own stuff and in the green room

1622
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,920
is first of all nobody shows up at the

1623
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,559
audience okay the audience is pouring

1624
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,880
rain it is there and so they like one

1625
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:53,200
sheet coming down so they put mirrors

1626
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,400
down the middle to make it look like

1627
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,480
there's more people

1628
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,040
and the guests this this good one that's

1629
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,680
good that's i know that's a classic

1630
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,319
and and so but guess who the guests are

1631
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,920
one was betty hill

1632
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:08,160
one was me and the third one was this

1633
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,680
woman who wrote a book called when

1634
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:12,400
rabbit howls about having 26

1635
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,240
personalities and she was kind of a i

1636
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,839
don't know whether she was on the level

1637
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,440
but between the woman with split

1638
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,799
personalities

1639
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,280
and the mirrors and betty hill in the in

1640
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,200
the green room with the space the head

1641
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,280
yeah at the head

1642
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,799
my my this was the first time my mother

1643
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,640
was ever going to see me on television

1644
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:33,280
and we go out there and jerry penicolli

1645
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:34,480
says

1646
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,359
mother's right here in the audience and

1647
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,040
i turn around in horror because she was

1648
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,559
a little italian woman who would beat

1649
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,680
you

1650
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,799
anyway

1651
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,720
so i didn't believe betty hill at the

1652
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,440
time is the upshot of this

1653
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:49,040
and you did right

1654
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,000
why

1655
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,079
yeah i didn't have any reason

1656
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:54,799
not to i suppose now uh more

1657
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,760
controversial are her later sightings uh

1658
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,760
of course of you know it got to the

1659
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,440
point where she was seeing ufos on a

1660
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,000
quite frequent basis and okay saying all

1661
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,160
their airplanes are car lights or

1662
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,839
something i can't comment on that

1663
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,880
because

1664
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,720
you know ufos can disguise themselves

1665
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,640
sometimes even you know they play tricks

1666
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,640
on our mind i mean that's one thing that

1667
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:17,520
i'm i'm convinced of is that what you

1668
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,319
see is not necessarily what you get i

1669
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,400
remember the the late great john keele

1670
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:24,720
once told me the story about how he was

1671
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,760
with a group of people and they were in

1672
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,960
uh

1673
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,640
somewhere in the in the middle east you

1674
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:32,559
know one of the arab countries

1675
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,440
and

1676
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,960
they were looking up at the sky i don't

1677
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,440
think it was egypt but they were at some

1678
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,599
big s1 dam or something like that is

1679
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,119
that the name of it

1680
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:43,039
that's in egypt yeah that's the dam on

1681
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,920
the night

1682
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,400
and they there was a ufo in the sky and

1683
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:48,240
there were a group of maybe 20 people

1684
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,599
clustered around and they're looking at

1685
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,520
it and

1686
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,039
some people claimed they saw it some

1687
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,440
people said they didn't see anything and

1688
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,960
a number of the people described it in

1689
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,520
different terms

1690
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,280
so sometimes what you think is

1691
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,280
enlightened may not be light it could be

1692
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,599
you you know i don't know this after

1693
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,359
people ask me what's opinion what's my

1694
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,119
opinion about ufos you know what i tell

1695
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,799
them bill and nancy i say

1696
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,319
ufos act

1697
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,319
independently of my thinking or anyone

1698
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,480
else's true it's true true really

1699
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,720
doesn't it really doesn't matter what i

1700
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:20,640
think about them because they're going

1701
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,520
to come and go as they darn well please

1702
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,200
on their own terms

1703
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,280
well what kind of books and stories

1704
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,359
right now get you excited what are you

1705
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,520
wanting to publish next

1706
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,839
uh let me see what gets me excited i

1707
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:36,000
can't even what's the last view well

1708
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,520
nick redfern and i read some of his

1709
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,599
stuff now of course i'm in a lot of ufo

1710
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,119
books even if i haven't published them

1711
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,680
so i i pick them up and i i go through

1712
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,000
them no i ha i have to admit

1713
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,480
there doesn't seem to be all that much

1714
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,880
that's new i mean you know well can i

1715
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,359
disagree are you still getting

1716
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,720
by all means

1717
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,039
well are you still getting email

1718
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,880
um because even though we're not

1719
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:00,559
printing right now i'm still getting

1720
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:02,440
email and i'm getting the most

1721
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,680
salivating stories right now that i

1722
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,760
can't i can't do anything with because

1723
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,599
right now i don't know what to do next

1724
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:11,359
see i'm kind of burned out too i'm kind

1725
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,799
of taking this time

1726
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,520
to think about how to do the next phase

1727
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,760
better yeah okay that's why

1728
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,079
you know what what seems to be the up

1729
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,559
and i kind of don't like this but

1730
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,480
they're doing a wonderful job there are

1731
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:27,760
a couple of uh e-zines uh magazines uh

1732
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,280
out of england one is called ufos today

1733
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,359
no i don't like i don't like uh do not

1734
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,359
like phil mantle he's the meanest

1735
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:37,839
meanest person yeah just he's been so

1736
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,720
mean

1737
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:40,000
yeah

1738
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,599
anyway that's what they're doing they're

1739
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,039
putting out magazines and they're

1740
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:45,760
offering them either for nothing uh or

1741
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:49,039
for a few dollars and if you got them if

1742
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,319
you have a kindle and you're reading

1743
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,559
them on kendall's health-wise

1744
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,079
they look good and you can move the type

1745
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,680
around in the paragraphs and blow up the

1746
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,599
photographs you can't do it on your

1747
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,599
computer or laptop it looks like hell

1748
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,920
now i have a problem reading anything on

1749
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
the internet if it's more than a page i

1750
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,760
gotta print it out and you can't print

1751
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,280
out a magazine first of all it won't

1752
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:09,760
format to the average size page because

1753
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,240
as we know in england they use legal

1754
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,400
size paper or whatever that is and

1755
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,520
instead of

1756
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,599
uh eight and a half by eleven you know

1757
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,280
every country has a different size paper

1758
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,720
as well well you're gonna you're gonna

1759
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,400
be liking you're going to be liking and

1760
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:24,240
you're going to be interested in the new

1761
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,599
thing that i'm making because you know

1762
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,359
how we did filament books it was kind of

1763
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,799
ahead of its time

1764
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,400
well the new thing i'm doing right now

1765
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,559
is a new way of reading anything but

1766
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,160
most likely most importantly the

1767
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,160
magazine it's a new way of reading that

1768
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,079
kind of solves all those problems it's

1769
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,240
kind of like a magic if you remember

1770
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,440
winky dink and you remember winky dinky

1771
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:45,440
yes we put it on our tv set in there

1772
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,480
you're right it's gonna be like

1773
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,520
something

1774
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:49,920
yeah and and let's tell the youngins uh

1775
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:52,640
angel do you know what winky dink is

1776
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,680
i know tinky winky no winky thing

1777
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,119
i was gonna tell angel don't answer

1778
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:59,680
because i was gonna make a bet no oh

1779
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:02,480
yeah so let bill tell what it is

1780
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,799
winky dink is a show

1781
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:06,559
we all remember it out of the except for

1782
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,839
angel out of the 1950s with jack barry

1783
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,319
well jesus 1950s

1784
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,119
and jack and jack barry jack barry was

1785
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,119
that famous host of 21 caught in the

1786
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:18,880
game show scandal but jack barry had the

1787
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,920
show called winky dink where winky dink

1788
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,520
and the show was called winky dink in

1789
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,760
you and winky dink was a cartoon

1790
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,880
character

1791
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,799
who'd get himself into

1792
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,119
like a perils of pauline type of trouble

1793
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,440
like a 1930 cereal he's about to fall

1794
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,799
off a cliff what's he going to do the

1795
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,559
monster chasing him he's going to be

1796
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,720
eating the life he can't jump

1797
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,680
the andyou part was you bought this toy

1798
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:42,960
it was a kit

1799
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:46,000
and on the kit was this cellophane type

1800
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:47,680
paper that adhered to your television

1801
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:48,640
screen

1802
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:51,680
and in that kit were crayons

1803
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,160
you could specifically draw on this on

1804
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,079
that uh cover of your television you

1805
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,599
couldn't draw on the tv screen but you

1806
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,160
could draw on the cover yeah and so at

1807
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,400
key points he would say now all of you

1808
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,079
watching this because remember not

1809
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,319
everybody had a tv you'd sit together as

1810
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,200
a party so he'd say now all of you with

1811
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,200
the red pencil

1812
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,720
red only hold it up and draw a line from

1813
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,200
one cliff to the other so winky can walk

1814
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:19,280
across the cliff whoever has the magic

1815
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,720
black crayon come on up to the magic

1816
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,559
window and get ready to draw put your

1817
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:24,319
magic black crayon against my finger

1818
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,079
right here okay

1819
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,640
and follow it carefully all around

1820
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,520
follow all around that's a big circle

1821
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,480
and now a smaller circle in the center

1822
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,599
got that

1823
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,039
all right now how about over here a

1824
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:39,520
little sort of a half circle

1825
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,319
very good fine and now we're almost

1826
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,319
finished just follow me around here put

1827
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,720
some little ruffles here okay

1828
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,319
yes sir

1829
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:50,160
gee that's fine

1830
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:53,920
just about does it very good good that's

1831
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:59,109
now i'm gonna have somebody to drink tea

1832
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,079
with

1833
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:02,960
yes indeed i'll say the magic word and

1834
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:05,359
we go

1835
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,839
goody goody goody is this anything i

1836
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,280
love the keyboard well that's exactly

1837
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,160
what we're gonna have a tea party man

1838
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,799
and so only those with the kit got to

1839
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,640
see winky walk across the cliff for

1840
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,679
everybody else

1841
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,359
winkie's walking across in thin air

1842
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,080
makes no sense that was winky dinkin you

1843
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,480
and you know what just to quickly say

1844
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,400
that's one of the main plot points of my

1845
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:31,120
first novel cleaning house and i really

1846
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:32,080
need to

1847
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,880
point that out because it is it's cool

1848
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:36,480
because here's the thing can you imagine

1849
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,920
your childhood if you weren't allowed to

1850
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,920
have the stupid kit and the stupid

1851
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,759
crayons and your mother wouldn't let you

1852
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,279
have them she would let you draw on the

1853
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,080
tv so you knew it was a fake

1854
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,319
from a very early age

1855
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:52,789
that's right

1856
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,679
i had my winky dink kit so i was all set

1857
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:56,640
yes

1858
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,749
you do and and

1859
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,000
i grew up to be just perfect

1860
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,560
right and our paths diverged you see

1861
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,799
that and and ufo magazine is now

1862
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,000
canceled

1863
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,560
i know that's a horror in fact there is

1864
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:15,359
no there is no ufo magazine i mean that

1865
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,159
i that i know of but no uh john rail

1866
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:19,920
told me yesterday we were having lunch

1867
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,719
and he told me flat out that um

1868
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,480
one of the things he was doing and i'll

1869
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,319
have john on and we'll have alejandra

1870
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,719
one i i we were in the starbucks line

1871
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,159
doing now

1872
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,159
doing the same thing you know they still

1873
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,560
do their convention and they have they

1874
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:36,159
have the right they have the open minds

1875
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,520
radio show

1876
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:38,960
right

1877
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,000
and i was out in mesa uh before they put

1878
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:43,839
out their first issue

1879
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,480
and they had they have a very nice uh

1880
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,480
office there with a lot of money

1881
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:50,640
invested in equipment and things uh i

1882
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,630
that magazine i mean my opinion i mean

1883
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,239
it's their magazine they can do what

1884
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,000
they want with it but

1885
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,600
for a ufo magazine you don't need all

1886
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,120
that glossy stuff

1887
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,360
i mean that must have the printing cost

1888
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,440
must have eight them up alive i know i

1889
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:08,239
know

1890
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,400
their returns were and it was a shame

1891
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:17,040
because they had a whole staff doing it

1892
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,480
and quite frankly it was just like the

1893
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,040
ufo magazine before we that's right but

1894
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,480
basically tim

1895
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,920
and you know

1896
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:26,000
magazines like this are a one-person

1897
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,550
yeah just can't afford it

1898
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,400
no it just doesn't work but i i would i

1899
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,679
would have taken i would have taken all

1900
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,440
that clothing paper you know the one

1901
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:39,280
magazine that seems to keep going and

1902
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:40,480
they do okay because they have a little

1903
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,880
bit of advertising uh is atlantis rising

1904
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,480
right okay they still yeah and they're

1905
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,320
quarterly and they're a quarterly so

1906
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,679
they get to build them

1907
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,840
but they they manage to print uh color

1908
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:54,800
photos uh newsprint and it looks just as

1909
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,880
good and probably at half the cost of uh

1910
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:01,120
of a you know glossy well quite frankly

1911
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,080
quite frankly you cannot get glossy

1912
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,679
paper anymore that's one of the things

1913
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,840
unless you do a certain print run i know

1914
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,000
this from working with donnelly unless

1915
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,560
you do a certain print run at a certain

1916
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,719
level at a certain frequency they are

1917
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:16,480
not going to take their most expensive

1918
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,920
stock and give it to you over hot water

1919
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,320
or low rider or something like that

1920
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,320
because quite frankly you don't have and

1921
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:27,199
also the other big issue

1922
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:30,000
no pun intended is unless you have the

1923
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,239
level of advertising that requires

1924
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:36,320
high resolution glossy paper they're not

1925
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,000
going to do it on newsprint

1926
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,760
people always criticize me because the

1927
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,560
magazines i work for which uh uh the ufo

1928
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:44,080
review and all i i own that the

1929
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:45,440
newspaper but

1930
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,640
all these other magazines you were for

1931
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,960
universe and ufo files and all i didn't

1932
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,960
own it i you know i i was paid a

1933
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,199
packaging a fee and it was okay we paid

1934
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,719
the writers we paid the artist we paid

1935
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,480
for the type setting i think we did a

1936
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,719
fairly good job we believed that people

1937
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,480
wanted to read more than they wanted to

1938
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,320
look at the same old brand photographs

1939
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,920
over and over again i mean you're right

1940
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:06,239
i agree with you yeah so we gave we gave

1941
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,760
him you know some good articles by some

1942
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,920
good professional or writers and and

1943
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,600
some of them had good material and they

1944
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,440
weren't good the writers and i had to

1945
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:15,280
sit there and and you know like right

1946
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,880
from scratch to be honest with you a

1947
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,719
couple of writers and uh

1948
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:21,120
others were just perfect you know and uh

1949
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,320
but

1950
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,400
the problem is with magazines as you

1951
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,280
know you got to over print your whole

1952
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,159
your distributor will say uh we want 40

1953
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,280
or 50 000 copies now ufo universe the

1954
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,480
first issue they printed 120

1955
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:38,719
000 copies wow

1956
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,000
okay within within three weeks time

1957
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,480
there was something like 85 000 returns

1958
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,480
well they're not really returns as we

1959
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,800
know you get it written on a napkin that

1960
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,400
says you know today we you know we

1961
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,640
destroyed uh you know four thousand

1962
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,239
copies of your magazine you don't get to

1963
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,480
see the covers or right and and those

1964
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,719
same magazines turn up in in flea

1965
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,880
markets in new jersey

1966
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,480
absolutely at the

1967
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,640
english town flea market or

1968
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,199
right right forget it i mean yeah i

1969
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,960
would i would get

1970
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,760
yeah

1971
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,520
you end up putting all these magazines

1972
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,080
that you don't really need because the

1973
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,000
the wholesalers are not obligated to put

1974
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,159
your magazine out as you know they send

1975
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,719
the magazines out twice a week all

1976
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,560
bundled up

1977
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,880
and the news dealer gets it and he opens

1978
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:26,640
it up and he's only got room for 50

1979
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:29,840
magazines and he sees your magazine and

1980
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,159
he said what's the ufo

1981
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,560
and he sets the back for credit

1982
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,360
and you know i i even when i distributed

1983
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,480
i had a guy from sunrise band

1984
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,080
i don't know if you know but he claimed

1985
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,000
he was some saturn or something like

1986
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,159
that do you remember sunrise yes yeah

1987
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,080
yeah okay well i had one of his horn

1988
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:49,600
players i think they were all horn

1989
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,239
players and we had a car we had a car

1990
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,520
would go around from new standard

1991
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,400
newsstand leaving the magazines you know

1992
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,679
because that's the only way to do it

1993
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,040
that way you know they're gonna put it

1994
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,600
up and you offer them a you know a a

1995
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,040
five percent more they're going to get

1996
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,199
them yeah um do you remember uh andy

1997
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,440
warhol's interview magazine oh yes yeah

1998
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,199
well eastern news company was a big

1999
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,080
distributor at the at the time

2000
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,040
they even did 14 times right and that's

2001
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:17,920
still going yeah yes it is but it's it's

2002
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,960
very uh difficult to to find barnes and

2003
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,520
noble in a couple of places like the gem

2004
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,000
spa in greenwich village may be the only

2005
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,840
place all the big magazine stands in

2006
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,159
manhattan have closed it was like what

2007
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,080
about the oh wait wait wait oh what

2008
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,080
about the place on 12th street and sixth

2009
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,360
avenue across from the haymarket

2010
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,880
you know where bud hopkins used to live

2011
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,480
in patchin place in chelsea where this

2012
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,960
is across 67 yes i don't the only ones i

2013
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:44,480
know are the the east village like the

2014
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,000
gem spawn there's a couple of stores

2015
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,600
down there what about the one at the end

2016
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:49,920
of 10th street that's the one on 11th

2017
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,709
wait i think there's one down there that

2018
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,239
i think that one's close too it's on

2019
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:59,040
sixth avenue yes and six seven well that

2020
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,800
use that was very funny that place

2021
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,239
because

2022
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,199
um uh ken thomas had a magazine called

2023
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,520
steam shovel press yes

2024
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,840
distributed form in manhattan but that

2025
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,560
place had 40 copies of this newsletter

2026
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,239
or a magazine and you could never find

2027
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,400
it anywhere else but that's close i went

2028
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,080
by it the other day first time i had

2029
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:20,080
been down in the in the west village and

2030
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,760
i looked for it and that's sadly closed

2031
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:24,960
but you know some those newsstands and

2032
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:27,600
with their funky personalities literally

2033
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,480
shaped shaped your taste and now you

2034
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,880
have to find blogs on the internet

2035
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,719
places on the internet where you can you

2036
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,080
know because now you have to shape it

2037
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,239
differently but they would you know i

2038
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,000
would i bought steam shovel press

2039
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,440
because there were so many copies i

2040
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,120
figured it was really really really

2041
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,760
popular so i had to i had

2042
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:47,280
that was the web did you buy to that

2043
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,640
store because that's the only place i've

2044
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,320
ever seen it yes

2045
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,560
no you know why because we live down the

2046
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,640
block we lived right down the block like

2047
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:56,320
a few doors away

2048
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,239
over st of the restaurant charlie mom's

2049
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,320
imagine living above charlie mom's with

2050
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:04,960
that unbelievable aroma of chunking

2051
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,679
chicken right general chicken wafting

2052
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:10,080
through the summer air well everything

2053
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,040
in manhattan today is starbucks

2054
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,440
dunkin donuts and subway

2055
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,920
and that's fine but you know you get

2056
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,199
tired of it

2057
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,960
my favorite place to eat was always down

2058
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,280
on sixth street you know indian row

2059
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,920
i love that korean they're not most of

2060
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,159
them are closed there's a philly

2061
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,560
curry in a hurry

2062
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,719
in the hurry is in my neighborhood

2063
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,880
that's the the best of the fast food

2064
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,560
they now call this instead of murray

2065
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,960
hill it's called curry hill because it's

2066
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,960
got all these indian restaurants but

2067
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,040
they're for the like the cab drivers and

2068
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:44,960
the food i mean i'll be honest with you

2069
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,360
it's not very good it's like maybe

2070
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,159
yeah not not compared to sixth street

2071
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,320
i'm just gonna say six was great okay we

2072
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,400
have to wrap up guys this has been

2073
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,719
wonderful but we are out of time

2074
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,080
and i'm listening to the radio show to

2075
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,080
do so yes yeah so next week we have uh

2076
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,679
an interesting fellow who's written an

2077
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,960
interesting book and his name is aaron

2078
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,159
farooq and he's going to you're going to

2079
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,320
love it it's very weird ufo stuff cool

2080
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,239
stuff i forget what it is but i will

2081
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:13,840
fill it

2082
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:20,310
oddly enough and tim of course you know

2083
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,719
the case oddly enough

2084
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,880
yesterday at lunch

2085
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,320
who walks over

2086
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,640
phyllis buttinger who's this chemist who

2087
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:31,120
did the soil analysis

2088
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,600
on delpho scandal so she's walking over

2089
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,239
so let's let him give out his urls right

2090
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,560
now for folks to find him okay well of

2091
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,239
course the main one

2092
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,640
is conspiracy general dot com you can

2093
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,719
still uh sign up for a free uh

2094
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,880
subscription both online and in the mail

2095
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,920
we still print a 16 page catalog about

2096
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,520
three wow

2097
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,280
still do it

2098
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,440
we've got you know a small mailing list

2099
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,360
a couple thousand people it costs us a

2100
01:18:01,709 --> 01:17:59,520
bit of money but we gotta let the the

2101
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,719
fans know what we're doing you can go to

2102
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,159
amazon.com and just type in timothy

2103
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,640
beckley and you'll get a whole parade of

2104
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:08,400
books and the latest thing that i'm

2105
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:12,000
promoting promoting is the tv channel on

2106
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,400
youtube mr ufo's secret files okay

2107
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,120
everybody mr ufo secret files it's on

2108
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,199
youtube good stuff up there yep okay

2109
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,040
that's it then we're gonna spend some

2110
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,600
quality time tonight with it okay we are

2111
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:27,600
your co-hosts bill and nancy burns

2112
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,199
broadcasting live from the banks of

2113
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,880
primrose creek in beautiful downtown

2114
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:32,960
village in seoul grey pennsylvania

2115
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,080
saying good night and profuse thank you

2116
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,320
to our guest timothy green beckley god

2117
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,400
bless you guys keep going

2118
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:42,400
whatever whatever you put out i'm i'm

2119
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,600
i'm buying

2120
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,520
good or something

2121
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,960
yeah all right

2122
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:48,880
thank you angel good night folks good

2123
01:19:08,149 --> 01:18:52,320
night keith we will see you next week on